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Andrés Mourenza's avatar

And now we have the following problem: Should Turkey change its Turkish word for turkey? Hindi it means Indian from India (Hindistan). Or Hindu.

Although this Hindi really means American (it comes from the Spanish misconception of the travel to "Indias" when they travelled to the Americas, and other languages also call turkey as "Rooster from Indias").

A complete mess ;)

Rob Zaagman's avatar

Very interesting! One quibble from this Dutchman: Holland was never the official name of the entire country (except from 1806-1810, when the French occupiers called it Kingdom Holland with Napoleon’s brother Louis as king). Holland was and is only a part of it.

Schillerite's avatar

I thought it was because Holland was always Raadpensionaris so when foreign dignitaries came to speak with the provinces they spoke primarily with Holland.

Pexas Teat's avatar

Another quibble: turkeys aren't flightless. Wild ones, anyway.

My family originated in Friesland, and never considered themselves Dutch from what we can tell.

JT's avatar

Indeed. I’ve seen one fly over an interstate highway. They have limited flight ability.

Marco Piovanelli's avatar

I won’t quit calling Turkey ‘Turkey’ cold turkey.

Poppy's avatar

Macedonia was bullied and forced to change its name against its will! No sane Macedonian uses that fasistic adjective, unless they are brainwashed liberals!

Babs & Co The Table Over There's avatar

It'd be funny to see what happened if Hungary decided that they wanted everyone around the world to learn to learn to say Magyarország with the right pronunciation

Priya A.L.'s avatar

‘Of course the name of our countries is important to us. I notice my eyes dart across pages as I read anything political, looking for that capital “T.” Hearing my country’s name is a bit like hearing my own.’ - I would do this when I moved to the US from India in the 80s. Except I was disappointed almost all the time because Native Americans hadn’t been given that designation yet.

Selim Koru's avatar

Ha, I love that. I'm guessing you stopped beyond some unmarked point of assimilation.

Priya A.L.'s avatar

Nah, I still do it. I’m rewarded with more relevant pieces but now they elicit more complicated feelings that fall into the eye rolling category.

Zarina's avatar

This is the sort of nerdy, slightly snarky take on real world events that I love so much. Thank you.

Rickard Helde's avatar

Let me give it a try:

" The 1914-1917 Türkieish genocide of the Hayer is taught in Svenska schools, while no Türkieish children learn about it. In Deutsche schools it, this important event in world history is often omitted, while in the Elliniká school system it is an obligatory part of the curriculum."

Andrew Mackay's avatar

And how many foreign schools teach about the ethnic cleansing of Turks from Bulgaria?

James Dittes's avatar

Add Greek, Russian, Moldovan, Romanian and Armenian textbooks to the list of suspect, genocide-free sources.

Rickard Helde's avatar

You mean Türks in България?

Andrew Mackay's avatar

Yes

The Türkler who were ethnically cleansed from българия

Andrew Mackay's avatar

This is an appalling double standard.

Why should the rest of the world be obliged to spell Turkey according to Turkush spelling when the Turks refuse to spell the names of our countries in accordance with official spelling?

Australia or Avustralya

England or İngiltere

Deutchland or Almanya

France or Fransa

Italia or İtalya

Canada or Kanada

America or Amerika

Peter Hönig's avatar

There is an alternative: Instead of spelling the name out, you can just use the emoji: 🦃

Anky's avatar

"because in the global lingua franca, there is an association with the bird"

This is especially hilarious because turkey in Turkish is... Hindi.

Abhikun's avatar

I like Usman Empire, but British killed it with Ottoman Empire. And it was Osmania Sultunate. More accurately Osmaniye.

StanT's avatar

Greatly enjoyed your writing style (and expose into the hallowed chambers of Turkish politics)!

Selim Koru's avatar

Thanks Stanislav, glad to hear you liked it. You might also be interested in my follow-up post on the subject here: https://kulturkampftr.substack.com/p/revisiting-turkey-vs-turkiye

jaydan's avatar

“Ankara has asked everyone to reign in” — surely you mean “rein in”?

Selim Koru's avatar

That’s it, I’m firing my copy editor.

Brenton Baker's avatar

I had no idea Dave Barry had a Turkish cousin.

Molly Graver's avatar

The NY Times is not adopting the new spelling.